of unresolved things by taking a stand and speaking forcefully for it. >> that was bill clinton after walter mondale lost it. after jimmy carter lost. we had a dynamic governor who was reformed minded and brought those issues into the national forefront. he really helped recharge the democratic party. you know, the republican party is out to lunch. i watched cpac, karl. karl was a former friend. >> i thought i was a current friend? >> you're always a friend, you owe me some chili. >> some fried chicken. >> i saved your life from malaria. >> i did. we go back a long way. here's the thing, the republican party is out to lunch. it's not just mechanics. it's not just communications. it's the party that continues to reject the majority of the american people and they feel it they don't want to be associated with a party that talks down to them, that attacks their rights and then call them victims. i think they're out to lunch. as far as i'm concerned, i will give them a bus ticket to continue to stay off the national radar. >> when i was covering the white house and karl was in it with george w.